Curse

Rexion · Nov 06, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

I was picking on an 11 year old alliance member, just picking, not insulting or bashing.

I was saying stuff like "so can someone help me with this problem? 2x²+7x+97=0... find x." the kid tried to do it, and i was like "lol, this is geometery... i think you are a little too younge to understand what to do... give it a year." then right after I said that 4 of the alliance leaders whispered me "he is just 11, he doesn't deserve to be told that. please apologize."
I responded to those leaders "this game specifically says ages 13+, if he is playing this game 2 years younger than advised, he should have to deal with what is told to him. if you have a problem with it, you are totally being unconstitutional for censoring me... that is against the first amendment."
I got g-kicked.

I think inappropriate language such as cussing, should be excused for reports. Anything racist should not. Like the use of the N word is an example.

Zesbeer · Nov 06, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

There Is A Chat Filter For A Reason If People Dont Whant To Be Called Names And The Like Use It!!!!11!

aapo · Nov 06, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Sujoy

I know I have, and for what? Because I said words like damn or hell. Now you may think those qualify as a rude way of speaking, but heck, this game is meant for 13+ people, isn't "damn" or "hell" acceptable at a limit?

On top of that, NPC's use damn or hell themselves... so what's up with this shizzle!?

- Yup, I called some Holy Wrath smiter "noob Monk" who didn't resign after losing half the team in Random Arenas HB map. Unfortunately this Monk happened to be part of DVDF alliance, which I was part of at the time and he told about it to guild leader. Naturally I apologized for hurting his sensitive feelings, but this guild leader seemed to be a bit socially challenged, so he kicked me out of the guild.

Does that qualify as being reported?

Ctb · Nov 06, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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you are totally being unconstitutional for censoring me... that is against the first amendment.

Good grief....

The Constitution of the United States of America and its amendments lay out a set of rules detailing those things that the federal government is allowed to do. Those powers that are not explicitly given to the federal government are implicitly reserved by the people and states.

As such, the 1st amendment of the constitution can only be violated only by members of the federal government, actors of the federal government, or anybody acting in an official capacity who is empowered by the federal government (although this also trickles down to the state and local governments now due to court findings).

No person acting in any non-official capacity has any ability what-so-ever to censor you "unconstitutionally". You can, in fact, curtail any and all speech in any private establishment or any other place where you are empowered to set standards of behavior.

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There Is A Chat Filter For A Reason If People Dont Whant To Be Called Names And The Like Use It!!!!11!

I wish there were a filter for people who think everything is a book title... o_0

Rexion · Nov 06, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Good grief....

The Constitution of the United States of America and its amendments lay out a set of rules detailing those things that the federal government is allowed to do. Those powers that are not explicitly given to the federal government are implicitly reserved by the people and states.

As such, the 1st amendment of the constitution can only be violated only by members of the federal government, actors of the federal government, or anybody acting in an official capacity who is empowered by the federal government (although this also trickles down to the state and local governments now due to court findings).

No person acting in any non-official capacity has any ability what-so-ever to censor you "unconstitutionally". You can, in fact, curtail any and all speech in any private establishment or any other place where you are empowered to set standards of behavior.

the amendments protect the people, that is the citizens AND government. that means i was kicked because i expressed my opinion. My opinion was that the kid was too young and he would probably learn the material in a year or two.

anyways, i'm going to stop Freedom of Expression preaching =P

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Originally Posted by Ctb

I wish there were a filter for people who think everything is a book title... o_0

i think they filtered his all caps message. pretty common on popular forums

Ctb · Nov 06, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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that means i was kicked because i expressed my opinion.

That may be so, but it has nothing to do with your constituional rights. Your rights were in no way violated because the people who punished you for your speech were not doing so as an acting official of the government.

Furthermore, the constitution doesn't protect anybody, the courts do. The constitution simply sets forth the powers of the federal government. It also happens to recognize a few "example" rights such as "free speech".

Rexion · Nov 06, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Ctb

That may be so, but it has nothing to do with your constituional rights. Your rights were in no way violated because the people who punished you for your speech were not doing so as an acting official of the government.

Furthermore, the constitution doesn't protect anybody, the courts do. The constitution simply sets forth the powers of the federal government. It also happens to recognize a few "example" rights such as "free speech".

government of the guild? o.o

freekedoutfish · Nov 06, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Your speech is either regulated or it's not, so it's either free or it's not. For example, you don't have any absolute "freedom of speech" in the U.S., contrary to what the 1st amendment says. You have "freedom of most kinds of speech" because the courts have ruled that you can, in fact, be punished for saying certain things (profanity out-of-context being one of them).

well i have no clue what the 1st ammendment says, because im not American. But why do people need an old document to tell them how to spech properly?

Surely its common sense that you can say what you like, provided you have the maturity and intelligence not to purposely offend anyone.

Its all well and good using the "freedom of speach" line, but freedom comes with responsibilty and so it should! How many people in this world spend most of their days spouting racists slures and using "freedom of speach" to incourage hatred and anger and to sture up violence?

Alot I expect!!

Do they have that right?

Well they do have the right to think that and discuss their views and opinions, but as humans beings with intelligence and morality, they should concider other peoples feelings.

People are welcome to think things and talk about them in an intelligent way, but they shouldnt throw foul language around like their free too with no care for the impacts.

Anyway... 13 year olds are still extremely immature! Most 13 year olds I know are little charvers, who stand on street corners and shout violence and spit!!!

And these are the 13 year olds you think are mature enough to handle hearing swearing and foul language? Where do you think they proberbly pick most of it up!!!

Either the play ground, films, music and the internet!

We do have some responsibility as a community to watch how we influence others and a "filter" is no excuse to talk how you like. Its not all just about foul language either. The filter isnt able to filter out entire conversations.

Some conversations in outposts can have very negative opinions bouncing around which could be concidered very bad!!!

Are you saying 13 year olds are legally old enough and mature enough to handle that content? Foul language and possibly entire conversations which they might hear and then repeat... even if they dont understand it.

As for this friend of mine not getting hit for his comments! I honestly wish someone would! He really needs some sense knocked into him because he thinks its funny.

Ive been stood in pubs and scared im about to get jumped on.

Ive been sat with other guys in a seminar room or the library and heard him from a distance making comments about the same guy. This guy happens to be muslim and you could see the look on his face as we looked at each other.

Its not that people dont get offened! They do! But how many people are going to say something if they hear that kind of thing?

We're brought up not to fight back and we now live in a country (the uk) where you hear about knife attacks and gun shot attacks every week for no reason!

Thats why people dont respond to this stuff! They fear the consiquences!

Turtle222 · Nov 06, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

why swear when you have emotes

Sujoy · Nov 06, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

"Ever get reported for inappropriate language?"

is that the thread title?

YOU KNOW when you use inappropriate language correct?
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/How_to_report

someone check up on logs to see what was said and how it was said before a ban. now you can complain and cry all you want here. but the fact remains that you were banned for a reason.

OC im assuming you were banned because if the report was unfounded then you would never even know about it.

1) Never got banned
2) I said I was reported, not banned. As mentionned, the report was unfounded.
3) I didn't start a debate, I just wanted to know what other people were experiencing... sorry if you couldn't resist to flame. I wasn't QQing, but I think you are.

Wolfcp11 · Nov 06, 2007, 10:31 PM // 22:31

I have always been amused that Damned Clerics were ---- out...

Ctb · Nov 06, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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government of the guild? o.o

Heh. Somehow I doubt your guild's leadership is in any way empowered by the U.S. federal government.

You could call up the NSA and have them hack your opponents then.

Keifru · Nov 06, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

What if the gov't actually had their own guild?
I find it somewhat hilarous. *ponders what classes and builds the federal officals would run*

And yeah, my speeling probubly sux.

ensoriki · Nov 06, 2007, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Other, similar media such as music and movies that are generally viewed as appropriate for 13 and up may have instances of profanity. I will run with the assumption that most people view video games, music, and movies as similar in that they are all consumable media meant to entertain.
Music is bs, all you hear is profanity,sexism, an insult to some woman, some woman who likes to sleep around making money by saying how she gives men what they need >.>. How you want to cut yourself at night, how being good is the way (LIES!!!! Join the dark side......cookies)
People don't view video games, most people are actually idiotic in the sense that they think video games are a more minor form of entertainment than TV or Movies (which the gaming industry tries to prove is false). Yet the case is that Video games can be far more immersive and easier to learn from that either of those two medias. Give me a math video game....I'm gonna grasp that way faster then the 30 minute tv show about Barney and Friends.

Words can't hurt anybody, so what does it matter? That's just your personal opinion versus anybody else's, so it's certainly not any reason to establish any sort of policy.
Thats a huge lie, and people with common sense will tell you that. Word's can hurt, you and I may be impervious to word's but they're are people out there who gain self esteem problems because everyone around em seems to swear at them. They feel they're worthless shit and then kill themself >.> if only people were like me...Im worth less shit and im happy...because if your worthless you can't be sold to the underground slave trade =P!

The filter is there, but its not an excuse. Ya basic swearing shouldn't be a problem if it is get over it please unless your hyper sensitive...in which case Just turn the entire damn Chat off. However excessive swearing is just nuts.

But Saying Luxon's are Nazi bastards is a good thing!

Hell if your in AB and a bunch of Luxon's go after you just because you said...you could kick their ass....they're a bunch of nazis...*puts on level 10 flame shield* *equips level 19 Flame Helmet of Absorbtion* *Goes into Level 75 Anti Flame fortress*

And saying Luxon babies should die...is totally appropriate right?

You kurzicks know what im saying right???? You are kurzick right......RIGHT!!! *loads flaming shotgun* =P

You Look Grim · Nov 07, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

Anet wouldn't take action on an account for saying damn or hell, and no, I've never been reported for inappropriate language.

same here. personally i wouldnt go out of my way to report someone just because they swore. i find that swearing is common now in everyday language (at least for youngins here in california)

IlikeGW · Nov 07, 2007, 12:22 AM // 00:22

I don't like the verbal abuse option because it's way too broad. You're going to get psycho religious folk and people like that saying ANYTHING is bad language and thus constitutes verbal abuse.

carnage-runner · Nov 07, 2007, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Ok let us all sit down.. Oh wait we are.. ummm ok, so Foul Language again is not something that should be considered immature or what not, it's simply those of a different age group choosing to express themselves in different ways. I'm fairly sure that if you are claiming people as young as 10 play this game, that you are an advicator of letting minors drink? Let 10 year olds into R rated movies i presume? Honestly dude, if a ten year old is playing this game, then it's the parents responsability to moniter what is happening. I am not babysitting a few thousand kids that are under the age of 13, that's a bunch of crap and you know it. Going off on a tandum, you were going off on a righteous speech about a few choice words. Do you think that hollywood should stop making R rated movies because it offends some people and/or teaches people to do things that are wrong? You are a clown freekedoutfish. Don't let me stop you from letting your 4 year old play, I'll babysit him too. What's his IGN I'll protect him from all the evil doers in Tyria who use foul language and sugestive phrases. GROW UP BUDDY WE ALL WANNA SWEAR SO WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE?

Halmyr · Nov 07, 2007, 03:15 AM // 03:15

For me I've never been really offended by *bad* words, but it still does not make it right. Have you ever seen some one who swears every two words, personaly, I don't find it very impressive, actauly, makes the persone look not that smart to put it nicely.

I can defiatly understand the swear when your mad, angry, like you mad tired, annoyed in the middle of your working shift, and now just to make it worst, you have no money to eat. Yeah apped to me, let out a big swear out in public.

For me the line of abusive Language is when you start swearing every two words, Bash some one religion/ethicnity/ect....When your targeting some one, and its more then noob, nooblet or your an idiot....When its get real REDENGINEGO type thing without stopping.

If I swear, its either with friend who know I'm joking, or to my self in real life where no one else can hear me.

Lady Raenef · Nov 07, 2007, 05:29 AM // 05:29

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Originally Posted by Count to Potato

i think its automatic 72 hour ban for certain words, no reports needed

I dunno, I've said every insulting word under the sun, including racial, and religious, and haven't been reported, or if I have, I haven't noticed. Personally, I think freedom of speech gives me my right. Should I respect others? That's a personal perspective. It doesn't say anywhere that I have to be kind to you. Will I? More than likely, unless you bend me the wrong way.

I try to limit what I say, but when the ignorant religious folks come around trying to slam their beliefs on others, I have to step in and argue. I'm not insulting any religious readers out there, simply stating, that your people don't abide by your own personal rule, which is "not to judge others."

garethporlest18 · Nov 07, 2007, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

I dunno, I've said every insulting word under the sun, including racial, and religious, and haven't been reported, or if I have, I haven't noticed. Personally, I think freedom of speech gives me my right. Should I respect others? That's a personal perspective. It doesn't say anywhere that I have to be kind to you. Will I? More than likely, unless you bend me the wrong way.

I try to limit what I say, but when the ignorant religious folks come around trying to slam their beliefs on others, I have to step in and argue. I'm not insulting any religious readers out there, simply stating, that your people don't abide by your own personal rule, which is "not to judge others."

No one seems to understand this, but there is no Freedom of Speech in a world that is not owned by you.